Talk:Summit Ministries

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Weren't they founded by an anti-Rock and Roll hatemongering racist demagogue? - Sparky 04:30, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That's about the jist of it. It's really, more or less, an intense two-week brainwashing session that attempts to ensure young Christians remain close-minded. User:Noplasma

Neutral point of view people. Baseless slander has no place Stargate70

Actually, it was really good to hear intelligent Christians defend their worldview from a rational basis. Think C.S. Lewis more than Pat Robertson. No more "brainwashing" than the kind of baseless persuassion found in many universities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aussiechica (talk • contribs).

Notability of renewed article

The reincarnated article makes only 2 references to non-Summit-affiliated sources:

An article in Free Inquiry (magazine), by "a fourth-year student at the University of Minnesota", who was offered a scholarship to attend a Summit course & wrote about the experience. His choice of Summit was therefore explicitly opportunistic and doesn't add much to notability. Nor does either the author or the magazine add much weight, as neither is particularly prestigious.
A mention in a book about the John Birch Society, which apparently mentions that Summit formerly had some relationship, unspecified beyond the extent of Summit advertising in John Birch publications.

I think it is highly doubtful that this rises to the level of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (per WP:NOTE), so I am re-tagging this article for notability concerns. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 00:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added several more independent ones. There was also the coverage in Focus on the Family in the late 1980s, which must have been considerable to increase enrollment so much. There is also a longstanding article at Source Watch, which is a wiki, but is apparently notable and claims to have considerable oversight. What do you think? Rigadoun (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My main concern is that the article's assessment of Summit's impact seems to rest largely on their own self-assessment, as well as that of a first-hand assessment of a student (who would lack both detachment & perspective to make a global assessment of its relative impact). This article needs more secondary sources. Secondary sources seem to be employed mainly on peripheral issues, to do with Summit's relationships to other (and more notable) religious right groups & figures. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 19:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]