Talk:Intelligentsia

Public image of intelligentsia

The article presents Russian ints from two povs: their own (kinda narcissic) and The State (utilitarian). However there is a third one, usualy neglected (although apealed to whenever profitable): vox populi. I mean, how an int is perceived in the eyes of common people, a stereotypical intelligent.

• интеллигентские замашки - a colloquialism literally "intelligent's ways" with two polar meanings:
  • int's smugness

Здравствуйте, уважаемые радиослушатели! В эфире передача по заявкам "В рабочий полдень". Первое письмо у нас от Михаила Ивановича Петренко, агронома совхоза "Светлый путь"! Просит Михаил Иванович поставить шуточную песню "Валенки" в исполнении народной артистки СССР Лидии Руслановой. С удовольствием выполняем Вашу просьбу, Михаил Иванович!

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-Следующее письмо у нас от Натальи Фёдорвны Грязиной, почётной доярки совхоза "Светлый путь"! По её заявке в эфире прозвучит шуточная песня "Валенки" в исполнении народной артистки СССР Лидии Руслановой. Слушайте, дорогая Наталья Фёдорвна свою любимую песню!

-ВААААААА-А-ЛЕНКИ-ВАЛЕНКИ...

-Следующая заявка у нас от Ивана Фёдоровича Кузьменко, который работает инженером механизированной колонны совхоза "Светлый путь" Он просит нас исполнить отрывок из Третьей симфонии Рахманинова. Уважаемый Иван Фёдорович! Бросайте свои интеллигентские замашки, не выёбывайтесь и слушайте шуточную песню "Валенки" в исполнении народной артистки СССР Лидии Руслановой!

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• int's meekness

• "off with your intelligentness, just punch him in his snout!"

• гнилая интеллигенция», « интеллигентщина» From Leninist, proletarian times, expressions of disdain, in more modern times used ironically

• spectacles and hat
  • from the internets: Предназначенные облегчать жизнь людям со слабым зрением, очки с течением времени превратились в своего рода символ учености, благородства и одновременно социальной инфантильности, никчемушного оптимизма. Так родился популярный русский титул «А еще очки надел, интеллигент собачий!» (наряду с «А еще в шляпе!»), запечатленный – Вл. Маяковским, М. Зощенко, И. Ильфом и Е. Петровым, В. Катаевым, В. Ардовым"

• интеллигент старого образца an old-school int: a relict of the times when an int was a cultural ideal. Professor Preobrazhensky is a popular visual image of the one, however he is a too strongmanned to be a universal staple "true int".

• "хлипкий интеллигент" flimsy int, in terms of bodily power

• a subtle distinction between интеллигентная речь and интеллигентская речь, the latter involves show-off, the former just correct literary one without coloquialisms, etc.

Some refs, just to demonstrate that the topic (stereotypes about intelligentsia) is being researched

• Концепт «интеллигенция»: Реальное смысловое содержание и стереотипы в современном российском языковом сознании
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Unfortunately I have no drive to pursue this. I have power only for minor improvements and occasional nanostubs.- Altenmann >talk 23:53, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Title

The title should be changed to Intelligentsia History

You have forgotten to sign your post and that would be inaccurate as it is not just history, it is also an explanation on what Intelligentsia is. Proletarian Banner (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Was the Soviet Union a Communist state?

Recently, Proletarian Banner has repeatedly substituted the term "socialist" for "communist" when the USSR's government is being referenced in the text. The first attempt to do so left a spelling error and was reverted by an IP. After the IP's revert, the used reverted again, writing in the edit summary that Communism involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society with the means of production held in common, I was merely correcting erroneous phrasing, not trolling. I reverted this edit, and PB has re-reverted.

I think that the USSR is most typically described as Communist by sources and I find it odd that the user is swapping out the longstanding wording. I want to open up a discussion to seek additional feedback on this from the community. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Mhawk10. 'communist' does have many meanings and so does 'socialist'. However when dealing with the USSR it refers to a total control by Marxist-Leninist party. Likewise China today is under total control of its Communist Party and it is NOT " stateless, classless, moneyless society"---that definition fits the Shakers, who still have a few members Rjensen (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

The SU never self-described as "communist" - being so was the Nirvana-like goal of Marxist-Leninism, always receding out of reach. But most of the rest of the world, seeing a totalitarian state ruled by the Communist Party, used "communist", and reserved "socialist" for very different ideologies of the left. I don't think we have to follow Marxist-Leninist terminology. Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

It wasn't a "Nirvana-like goal", the achievement of communism is a natural result of the inherent contradictions within capitalist society. Proletarian Banner (talk) 20:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

According to Marxism. Let me know when such a society arrives. Johnbod (talk) 04:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow you are ignorant, just because a nation has a communist party as a vanguard does not make it communist, communism in full involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society with the means of production held in common. China isn't socialist and it certainly isn't communist, quite far from it. It should be evident that China is capitalist especially after Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms. You don't realize how erroneous and oxymoronic this western phrasing is, it disregards Marx. "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic." - Karl Marx

"The state isn't abolished, it atrophies"(withers away) - Friedrich Engels

The achievement of a communist society requires the withering away of state as Engels had said. It is the steady dissolution of the state after the socialist transitory period.

Hell, if you even read a bloody Wikipedia article on the concept of a communist society it literally explains that such a society is stateless, classless, and moneyless in nature. Also, there's even an article on the Marxist concept of the withering away of state. Also, Wikipedia even says that the phrasing "communist state" is technically erroneous and oxymoronic, it wasn't even just me that said that. Proletarian Banner (talk) 18:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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