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Under the first few sentences, it states "As a part of the manosphere," however, the manosphere is described as promoting masculinity and misogyny, however, under my experience, the movement has been largely quite the opposite. Many times, misogyny inside of the community, at least the one I know, has been quickly pointed out and discouraged, and a large part of the men's rights community has been actively pushing against the supposed forced masculinity from society. I would like to know if this is a misunderstanding on whomever added that sentence, or a misunderstanding from me of what the male rights community truly is. I personally believe that this could be fixed by a simple "Some view this as a part of the manosphere." thus being neutral, but still getting both views into the text.
Cheeseburger3 (talk) 06:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Under further, closer inspection of the article, multiple paragraphs, most of which use the words manosphere, also follow this narrative, further hinting towards either a sole individual making multiple edits or a misunderstanding on my part. Cheeseburger3 (talk) 06:32, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable sources. First-hand experience is not generally usable as that is considered original research. Since Wikipedia is a tertiary source, we do not publish original research.
This article has many sources for the connection between the MRM and misogyny. The article currently cites several reliable source (which are also independent sources) which have identified misogyny as a disproportionately prominent trait. Likewise, many reliable sources link the MRM and the manosphere, although the term "manosphere" is much newer than the MRM. Those sources are linked in footnotes throughout the article, and those sources are what we use to inform the article.
There are many sources that highlight misandry as a common trait in Feminist circles. Why isn't that in the first sentence in the feminism artcile. To be frank, this is malicious. You will ask me for sources and once provided, you will claim they aren't credible. Who determines what sources are credible? This is why wikipedia has a massive bias issue. 47.230.49.22 (talk) 04:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many times, misogyny inside of the community, "at least the one I know, has been quickly pointed out and discouraged, and a large part of the men's rights community has been actively pushing against the supposed forced masculinity from society".
As well as a questionable opinion, might not this non-NPOV be aimed at down-playing the true level of misogyny and forced masculinity within this right-wing movement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.175 (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Citations 10 and 11 do not support corresponding text..
10: SPLC does not say that some branches of MRM are not hateful. It says that some branches use legitimate grievances to draw new members in, without meaningfully addressing said grievances; "instead directing followers to blame women [...] for everything". (To quickly locate the relevant passage, search for the word "legitimate" in the source.)
After commenting, it occurred to me that 11 might have been meant for the first part of the sentence it's linked to. However, it does not (as far as I can tell) come from the SLPC, so, while fine as a source, it seems a bit awkwardly placed. 91.26.88.218 (talk) 12:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the mid-1970s, this movement began to focus on the oppression of men and less on the effects of sexism on women. This shift was influenced by author Warren Farrell and his book The Myth of Male Power. He emphasized how male gender roles disadvantaged men by forbidding them from being seen as caring or having emotion. The Myth of Male Power physically couldn't have done it in 70s because it was written in 1993 year. Farrell is indeed mentioned in the source, but not that way:
In 1971, educator Warren Farrell helped form the National Task Force on the Masculine Mystique within the National Organization for Women, an idea which quickly spread toover fifty local NOW chapters and provided a framework for the further development of the men’s movement. Farrell’s more lasting contribution to the growth of men’s awareness of their culturally limited options was his influential 1975 book The Liberated Man: Beyond Masculinity, which quickly assumed for men the place occupied in women’s liberation by Betty Freidan’s The Feminine Mystique. Its publication sparked the beginning of a separate men’s literature concerned with offering theories of and solutions to male oppression. Two viewpoints characterized this body of writing: acceptance of feminist criticism of masculine status and behaviors, and calls for the restoration of ‘‘traditional’’ masculine social roles. Among the more important works produced at this time were Herb Goldberg’s antifeminist The Hazards of Being Male: Surviving the Myth of Masculine Privilege (1976), and the anthologies The Forty-Nine Percent Majority: The Male Sex Role (1976) and For Men against Sexism: A Book of Readings (1977).
Article says "Others cite the discredited parental alienation syndrome (PAS) or parental alienation as a reason to grant custody to fathers; they claim that mothers alienate children from their fathers and make false accusations of abuse in order to seek revenge against fathers." This does not reflect an accurate description of parental alienation, nor has parental alienation been discredited. In fact, there is a good deal of scientific research to support the concept of parental alienation being valid. 76.171.164.140 (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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