Talk:OMON

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We should move this to OMON. There are 8,600 hits on Google for "OMON" and "Russia," and only 127 under this title. Plus every author of fiction and non-fiction seems to use the OMON term. -Joseph (Talk) 02:59, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)

Done. -- Chris 73 Talk 11:53, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

Needs radical improvement

The factual items of the article are largely incorrect. Authors, do you speak Russian enough to understand Russian TV? Forgive my intolerance, but do we have a WP template for bullshit? Actually, I don't care about RF pages. But this one is a part of the common Soviet heritage so I have a full right to question it. You people work harder on it, or should I write the Real OMON page? Best wishes, AlexPU

I wrote most of the article, based on different online sources. I do not speak russian. You are very welcome to improve the article, but please use a neutral point of view. The article should NOT read like a promotion brochure from Omon. In any case, could you give more detail on what you believe the factual errors are? -- Chris 73 Talk 03:57, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Chris. First of all, I question organization/subordination issues. SOF? Federal level? Comparing to FSB (that nonsense navbox downthere)? By "denying" I mean that I live in USSR for all my freaking life, and the nearest OMON/Berkut base is few blocks from my house (not to mention that I'm a local journalist). I guess all these structure nonsenses come from Spetsnaz page and also low standards of those Western journalists who describe CIS affairs. I had no time for reading the middle of the article, but will study it more thoroughly. And also, OMON "using helicopters" (at least outside Chechnya) is definitely a non-sense. To be more straight, I tell you: OMON is nothing else than a Soviet militsiya analog of SWAT but with deeper involvment in ordinary police tasks. OMON's mission in Chechnya is explained by the bitter personnel lack, not by its (imagined) SOF nature. Every militsioner in Russia have a chance to get there one day. I hope to present you my broader remarks on the issue ASAP. And I'm far from promoting OMON, militsiya or any Russian government body. Forgive my emotional style. Best wishes, AlexPU

Hi AlexPU. I am not a professional journalist, just a volunteer editor, and I am no expert on OMON. Feel free to change the article as needed, and I would be happy if you could expand and improve the article. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:52, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, Chris. I'll see how much time I can find for this. It doesn't matter if you're a journalist or not. Instead, you seem to be a "professional" English writer (unlike me :((), and more, you're an admin. So I count on your copyediting and Wikitechnology help on this page. Best wishes, AlexPU

Deal. You write, I copyedit :) -- Chris 73 Talk 23:02, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Took you at your word :), Chris. For something to start with, why don't you remove that navbox at the bottom (not only from here, but everywhere)? FPS definitely has nothing to do with police, FSB is only partially related, while all the rest may be generalized under either MVD or militsiya terms. It's so misleading, that deletion is definitely the best decision. I need some time to formulate a new one.

Removed "black berets" as misleading. They did have them in 1980s, but, since 1960s, black beret is a constant and official headwear for Russian marines.

BTW, Chris, can I address you (as admin) regarding non-OMON issues? First, is there any way to have the statistics of opening pages for reading? I think it would be very useful for guiding the contributing efforts, and other guys agree with me. At least, where can I raise this question best (links to special Wiki talks?)?

And, consider doing something to our Russian fellows, namely, to their weird priorities. I mean they eagerly edit (and vandalize :( ) Ukrainian and other pages. But, at the same time, they refrain from working on the very fundamental Russian articles. E.g., nobody moved his ass to create Russian Navy and Black Sea Fleet (until I started shouting) - while those things are extremely emotional for Russian patriotic pride. Not to mention OMON, which is much more informing about modern Russia, than, for example, Nevsky Prospekt Paradox, you know. AlexPU

Thanks for your edits. They look good to me. About the navbox: You can modify it on Template:Police forces of Russia.

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About article creation: All people here are volunteers, there is no specific plan when to write what, hence sometimes important topics get overlooked in favor of less important topics. Nothing I can do about that. They can be isted on the pages above, but this may or may not help. Hope these answers are useful to you.-- Chris 73 Talk 01:05, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

IMHO, a SEE ALSO entry pointing to the French Gendarmerie Nationale would be fruitful. The tasks, capabilities and training of the OMON are much closer to those of the gendarmes than to SWAT units, among others. Main and only difference: the French Gendarmerie is (oddly enough) subordinated to the Ministry of Defense. --Emigrant123 20:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)Emigrant123

Black berets: They, um, do wear black berets. Even here in the illustration. --HanzoHattori 18:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

What the Hell is the OMON Tiger-Unit? The Tiger ist used by MVD as a sign for the far east (amur river region) military district (as in the interior forces - bear for siberia, deer for the Volga district, a horse for the northern Caucasus...). In this case the picture shows a patch of the Ussuiyrsk (in the far east) Special task force.

Oblast

For me, it doesn't really make sense to specify that Moscow city has an OMON force which is different from the one of Moscow Oblast, as Moscow city is not part of Moscow Oblast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.75.187 (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject Law Enforcement tag

I removed the WP:LE tag because it appears this article is more about a military unit than a Law enforcement agency.EMT1871 16:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if OMOH officers realize that OMOH is HOMO backwards? And if they would change the name when they do. ~Sergey~

The letter "H" in OMOH is a letter "N". So OMOH backwards "NOMO." So why would they change it?

It is an 'N' in Russia, still an inside joke for english speaking countries, and of course several photos of them standing in front of reflective surfaces. Ironic given their role in assisting the enforcement of the laws there.Cliveklg (talk) 10:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Homo mean "human". Guess they are. --HanzoHattori 14:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

But then again that could be why they changed their name to KON, so that people in Latin countries wouldn't get their giggles by flipping a photo of a man in an OMON uniform. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 03:25, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Like this 90.184.223.136 (talk) 20:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/11/wrussia11.xml

needs info on their riot gear

Short. --HanzoHattori 14:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Done Degen Earthfast (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced

OMON has been accused of corruption, including protection money, to improve their salaries. Since August 1999 they have also been accused of checking the identity papers of anybody who seems to be a foreigner in order to extract bribes from illegal migrants. In the early 1990s there have also been allegations that the group appears to not always be under the full control of the government and often acts independently.

--HanzoHattori 18:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

POV

Article is too biased, in my opinion. It looks like a Dissenters' fly-sheet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.57.87 (talk) 07:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I notice that all the high profile operations are bad. I also notice that in some cases those are just allegations. This article is ridiculous; it cannot possibly be presenting a neutral point of view. 74.14.101.89 (talk) 01:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Belarus....

Why is there a headline for OMON in Belarus but no article below? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.17.167.114 (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Would be nice to add some sources to number claims in portion of the text about Operation Ring. Atabəy (talk) 23:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

OMON to OPON?

In Russia, The OMON Unit currently (May 3 2011) is subordinate to the CSN - Center for Special Purpose, Because the Militsiya was dissolved earlier this year(In March 1 2011), and the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev formed the Politsiya - The Police in his Czarist Name. So the the troops name (OMON) is just did not match to the current situation, about this unit in particulary and about the Police of Russian Federation, in General. Some people thought that the new name is OPON - Politsiya instead Militsiya, but is not true and there is a report about the establishment of Center for Special Purposes, officially: The Center for Special Purposes Forces of Operational Reaction. So, the article shuold to change his name?  • M@xim | Max, May 3 2011, 18:35 [Jerusalem Time] (IDT) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC).

Hi, Max! Recently, the russian government decided to keep the OMON name, despite the change from Militsiya (Militia) to Politsiya (Police). They came up with a new abbreviation, which is Otryad Mobilniy Osobogo Naznacheniya (Special Purpose Mobile Unit). This has been stated at the russian wikipedia article for OMON (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9D_%28%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F%29) with all the required prooflinks. I'd love to change the english article for OMON myself, but I'm afraid I won't do justice to it. Whoever is watching over this article, please apply the require changes, and thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.26.47.174 (talk) 14:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Motto

The motto mentioned by "The Telegraph" author (its image, probably taken on the same press-conference, can be seen here) is not that of OMON but that of Spetsnaz. The latter is quite a general term for Russian special forces but it does not include OMON. Abolen (talk) 22:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

South Ossetian OMON != Russian OMON

"the South Ossetian separatist OMON took" It's not the Russian OMON and i thought the article is about the Russian OMON ? South Ossetia is not Russia! There is no connection beside the name, it would be the same if I say British marines are the same as US marines.

Picture

The first picture is humiliating, there is no sense to show them how they are shopping ?!? The only sense of the picture is to undermine their capabilities and discipline and to show them in a bad light. This is not objective! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.111.50 (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It is still active.

In the article it is said, that OMON was disbanded in the 2016. But it is not true. It was made part of the National Guard, but units still exist. You can find the information about its activity in the official site of the Russian national guard (in Russian only): http://rosgvard.ru/pri-silovoj-podderzhke-omona-zaderzhany-podozrevaemye-v-sovershenii-moshennichestva-v-osobo-krupnom-razmere/ In this news i is said^ that "Muscovite OMON unit of the Federal National Guard was participating in the arrest of three persons, who are suspects in the fraud case" (very rough translation). So, this units are still active. Please, change the information.Pvjatchkilev (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semantics: зачистка =/= "Cleansing"

Without in any way arguing about claims of brutality and illegal activities of the servicemen, which are described in the section on Chechen war, I would like to raise the issue of translation. The Russian word "зачистка", in regards to a military or law enforcement operation, is translated into English as "sweep". If we go into splitting hairs, this Russian word is indeed semantically more intense - the closest direct equivalent would be the word "cleanup". But in practical terms, зачистка is traditionally used both in media and by authorities to denote sweeping raids, e. g. of the same nature NATO coalition forces performed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The notion of "zachistka" involves combat patrols, ID sweeps, leads investigation, targeted raids and searches (with all the potential of abusing one's responsibilities, of course), and implies that active enemy combatants are strongly suspected to be in the AoE. Meanwhile, cleansing is a political or punitive action aimed at intimidation, terror and straight up murder. Thus, I move to change the strongly loaded translation "cleansing" with the more neutral and fitting "sweep" and derivatives thereof. (Note: "cleansing" has its equivalent in Russian, "чистка"; "ethnic cleansing" would be "этнические чистки".) AyeBraine (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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OMON original.jpg

This image has been reversed on the x-axis. This is clear from the obvious fact the name OMOH reads like HOMO (a very popular joke these days), and their sleeve patches are on the wrong sides (the unit insignia should be worn on the right arm and the national flag on the left). 70.26.131.40 (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct, it seems to be someone's poor attempt at a joke. I've reverted their edit. Kryomaani (talk) 04:01, 7 January 2022 (UTC)