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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The books are all quite old (all published before this millennium). Reopen if you have newer reliable sources that support the same claim. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs)10:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no proof of any official colour of the party, the customary colour have been sky blue. Many parties in India uses saffron, white and green (from Indian tricolour flag) as their colours. Every national party in India uses a single colour only. @Zendrago X: is wrongfully adding the colours of the party in the infobox. I asked them to provide any reference for their claim, but they did not do so and just kept undoing my edits. 19 May, 25 May, 29 May, 13 July
The wrong colours were added on 6 May by @German2000: in this edit. Only two months have passed since the new colours were added, before that the blue colour was there for years.
Until consensus is reached the version of the article (mainy of the colours) which was before 6 May should be published. Bairagi Ram (talk) 16:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pls read WP:FORUM, where is source mentioning that there is not official colour of the party? Please read this The Indian national colours of the Indian flag serve as the official visual identification of the Indian National Congress throughout it's history, only until recently has the party started to be using alternative customary colours[1]. Here are the some sources [2]. They used the Swaraj Flag and became the symbol of India's demand for Self-rule led by the Indian National Congress before independence, it was their official flag. They used tricolour as their official colour. The current blue colour is being used just recently, some years back it was aqua blue here in infobox. Also please read this [3] and [4]ZenDragoX(User) | (Contact)12:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zendrago X Please change the color of Congress from Sky Blue to Yellow. INC is a liberal centrist party. Liberal parties usually use yellow colours. There is no official one color represents INC. Blue colour traditionally represents Conservative right-wing parties. Also please add Secularism after Big tent. It's the main ideology of Congress.
Bringing this up here as there is a note requesting it in the article. There are multiple reliable sources that call the party centre-left. Therefore, I think the infobox should read "Centre to centre-left" in the political position section. Here are some reliable sources that call the party centre-left:
Zendrago X I don't have a problem with big tent being included if its properly cited. However, as seen from the example here, big tent is usually placed in the ideology section, rather than the political position section. You yourself said "party's main ideology in Big Tent". I didn't add or change the ideology section. I added to the political position section. We go by what reliable sources say and we have plenty of sources that call the party's political position centre-left. Helper201 (talk) 02:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Party is centrist. In above sources you can see. Perhaps this has been discussed previously on the talk page before us. And Big Ten itself mentioning centre. As party exemplifies a "big tent" party, which inherently suggests a centrist position due to its broad ideological inclusivity. As a big tent party, the INC encompasses a wide range of viewpoints and policy positions, drawing from various political ideologies and factions. This diversity allows it to appeal to a broad electorate and accommodate differing perspectives within its platform. Consequently, the party's policies and positions often reflect a centrist approach, balancing moderate reforms with inclusive governance. By catering to a broad spectrum of ideological views, the INC maintains a central position in the Indian political landscape, aiming to address diverse interests while steering clear of extreme leftist or right-wing positions.ZDX(User) | (Contact)02:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The party is characterized as centrist, reflecting a blend of social democratic and liberal principles. Historically, the party has navigated a range of political positions, but in contemporary times, it is widely regarded as centrist, balancing socio-economic reforms with political stability. This centrist stance is consistently represented in Indian school textbooks and government examination questions, where it is commonly identified as such (you can see in source mentioned above). Unlike extreme leftist or right-wing parties, the Congress party’s policies align with a central position, advocating for moderate reforms and inclusive governance. ZDX(User) | (Contact)03:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zendrago X that doesn't mean centre-left can't also be included. Plenty of political parties have more than one position and we have plenty of sources that call the party centre-left. I’m not suggesting “centre” be removed and have not attempted to remove that, but centre-left should also be included as it can be well cited. Sources take precedence over editors’ opinions/views. Helper201 (talk) 03:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
INC is a centrist party rather than strictly center-left. Its broad, Big Tent approach accommodates a wide range of ideological perspectives. Historically, the INC has also been associated with right-leaning positions at sometimes, reflecting its capacity to balance various interests. This broad inclusivity supports its classification as a centrist party, aiming to bridge ideological divides rather than adhering strictly to a leftist and rightist agenda. ZDX(User) | (Contact)03:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. The party has navigated a range of political positions, but in contemporary times, it is widely regarded as centrist, balancing socio-economic reforms with political stability. This centrist stance is consistently represented in Indian school textbooks and government examination questions, where it is commonly identified as such (you can see in source mentioned above). Unlike extreme leftist or right-wing parties, the Congress party’s policies align with a central position, advocating for moderate reforms and inclusive governance. Big Tent approach accommodates a wide range of ideological perspectives. Historically, the INC has also been also associated with right-leaning positions at sometimes, reflecting its capacity to balance various interests. ZDX(User) | (Contact)03:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jean-Pierre Cabestan, Jacques deLisle, ed. (2013). Inside India Today (Routledge Revivals). Routledge. ISBN978-1-135-04823-5. ... were either guarded in their criticism of the ruling party – the centrist Indian National Congress – or attacked it almost invariably from a rightist position. This was so for political and commercial reasons, which are explained, ...
That does not mean the infobox should be limited to one position, as there is nothing that requires this. Nor do they negate or disprove any of the sources for centre-left. Helper201 (talk) 05:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you are showing are from Nehru's era and there is a lot of difference between Nehru's era and today's INC.
“Center” and “Big Tent” already refer to the balance between left and right. The party strikes a balance between right and left. ZDX(User) | (Contact)05:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have multiple sources, including academic ones that call the party centre-left. They call the party itself this not factions of it. Helper201 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those are original research articles by the writer. The sources you have do not specifically state that the INC is a center-left party, whereas the sources I have provided clearly indicate that the INC is a centrist party. My sources include national academic books, articles, and educational websites. The sources you have mentioned are articles that are foreign and written by users, similar to how we contribute to Wikipedia. If you have a source that specifically describes the INC as center-left, please add it here. Since the country's own national education system identifies the INC as a centrist party, there is no need to rely on original research articles. INC is not a Centre-Left, it is a centrist party. ZDX(User) | (Contact)03:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no such thing as "original research articles", that's just an attempt to discredit sources you don't agree with. "Sources you have do not specifically state that the INC is a center-left party", actually yes, the all very clearly and explicitly do do this. And my list of articles includes academic books too. And no, my sources are not user written, that's very clear and obvious. Social Spaces and the Public Sphere is written by a postdoctoral researcher and Digital Shutdowns and Social Media is written by author Dr. Shekh Moinuddin who teaches UG, PG and MPhil/PhD students. Furthermore, the Hindustan Times is obviously not a foreign source, being an Indian source published in Delhi. It’s not like sources have to come from the country of the related subject anyway. Helper201 (talk) 06:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dr. Shekh Moinuddin conducted his own original research, and his book is based on this research.
I have also cited the same source, a book from NCERT, which is a national education organization and part of the Ministry of Education in the Government of India. The books published by NCERT are official and used in Indian schools and colleges. They consider it to be a centrist party, which is significant evidence. Country's own education system consider it as a centrist party.
Regarding the article published in the Hindustan Times, it was written by a user, as noted after the title. Just like contributions to Wikipedia, this author contributed to the website. ZDX(User) | (Contact)07:00, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jean-Pierre Cabestan, Jacques deLisle, ed. (2013). Inside India Today (Routledge Revivals). Routledge. ISBN978-1-135-04823-5. ... were either guarded in their criticism of the ruling party – the centrist Indian National Congress – or attacked it almost invariably from a rightist position. This was so for political and commercial reasons, which are explained, ...
[12] (A detailed solution of academic question, there are several sources from Educational websites like this)
Original research applies to Wikipedia users, not external sources. No one can just magically have evidence of something in their brain without getting it from somewhere. Here's the thing, I've never said the party isn't or cannot be classified as centrist, I just reject the idea of limiting the infobox to only this position. As for the Hindustan Times, all articles list the authors social media profile after the title, it’s from a journalist/author, not a user. You can see this by looking at other articles on their website. I see you had no answer for the fact that Social Spaces and the Public Sphere is written by postdoctoral academic and clearly a highly valuable source. Helper201 (talk) 07:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s their own original research, and the meaning of original research is not limited to Wikipedia. They consider it to be center-left, but the INC is actually balanced between both right and left, so there is no point in labeling it as center-left. The center represents a balance between both sides, which is the actual position of the INC as a centrist party. I have provided a specific book that is written about INC, describes it as a centrist party, and the country’s own education system refers to the party as centrist as well.
So now end this topic and keep only Centre there. And nothing wrong will be happened if only Centre kept there. If we don’t label the INC as center-left, the world isn’t going to end, and please calm down! It’s not like the universe will collapse if the article isn’t labeled that way. Let’s not panic—everything will be just fine even if we keep the INC as a centrist party. Maybe it’s time to take a deep breath and relax; the world will keep turning!
Historically, the party has navigated a range of political positions, but in contemporary times, it is widely regarded as centrist, balancing socio-economic reforms with political stability. So party is Centrist.
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The books are all quite old (all published before this millennium). Reopen if you have newer reliable sources that support the same claim. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)