Talk:Ho Yeow Sun

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Billboard placement

Can anyone verify the assertions made about Billboard placement for Sun's various singles? I can't find any evidence that any of her songs actually charted in the US on Billboard's own website. Billboard does not and has not ever had a "Hot Dance Club Play 'Breakout' Chart" as far as I can tell. AC1 (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

whitewash

Why is content that is correctly and reliably sourced being deleted. This stinks of whitewash, purely claiming "BLP" every time that something does sound nice is not really the way to go forward or the way to avoid a 3RR report. Explain why you consider this content to be unacceptable as per BLP rules or it goes back. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:33, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Affair allegations removed. Kinda tabloid feel to it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Spacecowboy420, this reads like you wanted to pick a fight and then saw that the supposedly reliably sourced content was problematic. This whitewash claim is ridiculous, and you could have retracted it after you cut a bunch of BLP-violating stuff from the article. Let me add that I don't invoke the BLP lightly, and that as an administrator it is my sworn duty to uphold it.
What we have now is better, but still not unproblematic. First of all, see WP:CSECTION: well, I could explain what's there, but it's clear enough. Second, the source, AsiaOne, is a news aggregator. Apparently the story originally came from The New Paper, and it would behoove you (and the IP editor) to get that original version, from a much more reliable source than what AsiaOne appears to be. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To be more accurate, AsiaOne is a news aggregator but only of Singapore Press Holdings sources. The problem is that said sources includes some subsidiaries with questionable reliability/revifiability such as STOMP, which is mostly unregulated citizenship journalism, and HardwareZone, a forum. On an aside, I think the hacking incident warrants a mention as it was covered quite extensively. Zhanzhao (talk) 23:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Zhanzhao, interesting point, thank you. Look, what those who clamor about "censorship" frequently don't get is that we have to have neutrally written and relevant content, without undue weight, with reliable sources. If some incident is indeed covered extensively and reliably, and you can write it up concisely and neutrally, go for it. Drmies (talk) 04:11, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the replies. Firstly, I certainly didn't come to pick a fight, that's why I posted on your (Drmies) talk page asking for opinions. It wouldn't hurt to assume a little good faith on my part. Secondly, from looking at Asia One the connection with The New Paper is really obvious, it's like Yahoo News sourcing from Reuters, the connection (and therefore source reliability) is there for everyone to see. If the deleting editor is aware of the link with The New Paper, then maybe it would be better for wikipedia and less confrontational to link to the more reliable source than just continuously remove content with comments along the lines of "for the last time READ the BLP", if "picking a fight" is something that you are that concerned about, please watch your comments as well as watching the comments/edits of others. Having said all of that, hopefully the combination of edits by all involved have made this article a little more stable, thank you. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:21, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My job is to uphold the BLP, not to investigate and whatnot to make text containing BLP violations more palatable; that's always the responsibility who adds or restores the information. Since AsiaOne is a portal, it may edit, tweak, modify, misrepresent, or otherwise butcher what once was proper journalism. Again, this is the responsibility of the adding/restoring editor. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your job? No. The one element of editing that you have chosen to focus on, in a particular situation to avoid other duties that every single editor has? maybe.

It's the job of every editor to investigate sources. If we just deleted all content that wasn't backed up with a perfect source, without trying to find a better source, then wikipedia wouldn't have half the great content that is currently has. I delete content without sources or unreliable sources. But I always take the time to try to find a more reliable source before deleting. Asia one clearly states the source of the story at the bottom of their article and you have no reason to suspect them of altering the story. Sorry, but with the upmost respect, you won't find me agreeing with you on this issue, the source was good. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:25, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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