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That he was middle-eastern. By definition. Also, not the first flying clue what you are on about regarding a "reconstruction." Did they find remains and I missed it? Dumuzid (talk) 23:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following link (click here) claims that: "Jesus’ blood type is the ultra-rare AB+ that universally accepts all other blood types, but is not accepted by any other blood types (probably symbolic of the reality that none can truly come to Christ unless God the Father draws him). This blood type, while extremely rare, has a slightly higher incidence among people of Middle Eastern descent, confirming Jesus’ incarnation and Abrahamic descent."
The close-up of the face currently featured on the article is not reliable, because it is an 'enhanced' image. Unaltered close-ups on the link provided, however, could certainly pass for 1st Century Eastern Mediterranean. (click here)
It wasn't until several centuries after the beginnings of Christianity, that the Arab expansion changed the demographics of the Eastern Mediterranean. Before this, the region had been a cross-cultural hub of three major continents.
In the Acts of the Apostles, there were visiting Arabs among the first Christians at Pentecost (Acts 2:20 - "Both Jews and converts to Judaism, Cretans and Arabs — We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”). A prophecy about Jesus is explained to a visiting Nubian African, and a devout centurion hears the Gospel in Caesarea.
To correct my earlier comment, I'm not actually certain whether the current face image has been artificially-enhanced, after all.
An earlier topic on the subject mistakenly referred to this image as created by a religious artist through filtering, but the artist's concept referred to is actually another image entirely.
What I have noticed in comparing genuine photos, is that different degrees of light exposure seem to differently affect the dimensions of the facial features, making it seemingly impossible to know what the most accurate exposure is.
I agree that I could have quoted a reliable source about the blood type test instead of referencing a blog.
This very subject, however, 'The face of Jesus is European', is entirely subjective and quotes no references at all. The person who started it is being entirely speculative, whereas a blood type test from the Shroud whose results parallels Middle Eastern incidence, is based on research and fact.
Comparing the blood on both the Shroud and Sudarium (head cloth) -
"Blood on each of the fabrics match (AB +).. Blood from a human male that is most commonly found in the Middle East was identified on each."
The ethnic identification must be from an analysis of the blood's DNA.
The quote just cited is from the Digital Access to Scholarship at Harvard:Click here
Here's the rest of it:
An Analysis of the DNA and Hematological [blood study] Findings of the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo
Citation
Dreschnack, Paul Alan. 2023. An Analysis of the DNA and Hematological Findings of the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo. Master's thesis, Harvard University Division of Continuing Education.
Abstract
The Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo are the two most studied, examined, and analyzed historical artifacts in human existence. No doubt, they are also the most famous. Numerous coincidences exist that have captured the hearts and imaginations of audiences for centuries. Several high-profile scientific inquiries have been initiated in the past few decades. They have been studied extensively and comprehensively. But to what avail? They are examined independently, but there is a lack of collaboration of information and sharing of data, which could be very helpful to all the scientists involved.
It has been established that there is historical significance of these two fabrics, having originated in deaths that modern law would readily classify as a homicide. Uniquely killed by crucifixion, and then removed for burial in a time when this did not serve the Roman objective of visually offensive execution.
[The Blood Type]
Blood on each of the fabrics match (AB (+)), and the location of the blood stains matches as well [i.e., comparing the Shroud and Sudarium]. Blood from a human male that is most commonly found in the Middle East was identified on each. The stains superimpose on each other.
[Pollen and Tourist DNA]
DNA analysis performed at the University of Padua traced the path across Europe from Jerusalem to Turin by examining the surface pollen. On its journey, many people venerated it, and added their DNA to what was already present. Contamination is extensive.
[Conclusion]
More studies need to be done. We are examining the only remaining evidence of a violent crime. If there is evidence of a unique singular origin, the implications are more than theological. Even scientifically and medically speaking, it is more than a matter of faith. It already is a legend. 2600:8801:CA00:DDD0:C40F:E514:353C:8183 (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to Google, one of these ladies is Italian (European), and one is Palestinian (Asian). Can you tell at a glance which is which? [1] .. [2]Wdford (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, the typing of the blood on the Shroud has been questioned, and it is highly uncertain if it can even be typed accurately. [3]
Second, AB+ blood is found all over the world. According to Wikipedia, it is highest in North Korea, followed by Japan, Bangladesh and Uzbekistan. Israel is also on the upper end, equal with Finland and Poland but behind India and many other nations. This "evidence", assuming it even exists, means nothing. [[4]]
Third, the original pollen would have been washed away by the many attempts in medieval times to wash away the image itself. Modern studies of the pollen have found pollens from everywhere, including North America. This has long since been discarded as "evidence" of anything.
Wdford (talk) 13:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"We are examining the only remaining evidence of a violent crime." if that is the premise of the research, then we can disregard it all as utter tosh. Theroadislong (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The description here, although very commendably full of information, is very unbalanced; it's fine - and important - to set out the negatives with solemn intent, but the positives should be given the same level of seriousness and consideration. For example, McCrone is quoted as if his studies were proved, when that's simply not true - if anything, he has been discredited in this respect, as well as in the Vinyards Map studies he did. Again, it's fine to quote what he did, but equal prominence - or even more prominent provision - should be made for the STURP studies which showed (with almost complete agreement) that paint was NOT how the image was created. Many other examples in this piece continue in that vein, which is a shame, because there has been serious work done here to present the issue, the trouble is, the writers should keep their prejudices and beliefs out of it, and simply present the true facts, both positive as well as negative. To do otherwise is to do disservice to Wikipedia as well as the subject.
I could revert the edit again, but I don't see any sense in an edit war, I simply appeal to common sense and good judgement to ask the editors of this piece to think again. Perhaps it was oversight rather than prejudice. I hope so. Matthew.hartington (talk) 13:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a myth, propagated by enthusiasts of "sindonology", that McCrone's work on the Shroud of Turin has been debunked. In fact, for that work be was awarded the American Chemical Society's National Award in Analytical Chemistry in 2000, long after the various critiques of his work by members of STURP (which are, incidentally, mentioned and cited in this article) had been published and discussed. You can see a writeup for that award here (go to the sixth page in the PDF). McCrone is really the only expert on the scientific authentication of ancient artifacts who's been allowed to examine the Shroud in any detail. Note also that in 2021 the authorities of Yale's Beinecke Library, which owns the Vinland Map, declared that that map was a fake, for essentially the same reasons that McCrone had given in 1973: see here. - Eb.hoop2 (talk) 14:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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