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Assessment Report

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  1. A bit more tidying up and expansion of various sections, and this article could be submitted for assessment in order to gain "Good Article Status".

 DDStretch  (talk) 02:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

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Can anyone verify that Placebo are connected with Northwich?

Yes... the drummer (?) lived just round the corner from me.

The previous drummer in 'Tears for Fears' also lives in this area. Not sure if it's worth a mention? Gregh 19:05, 13 Sep 2006 (UTC)

Population

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Why do the modarators seem unwilling to acknowledge the outling parts of the town like Weaverham, Rudheath and Davenham that have their own parish councils as part of the town? You accept that in other towns like Warrington where you are happy to include parishes like Burtonwood and Lymm. To say that Northwich's population is only 19,000 is like saying that Londons population is only the 7,800 people that live within the City of London. Do any of you actually live in or near Northwich or are you just looking infomation up!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.181.169 (talk) 23:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Provide some reliable sources for Norwich's population. Nev1 (talk) 15:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the statistics in the article, the population appears to have increased by nearly tenfold between 1871 and 1881. The reasons for this remarkable increase should appear either in the main article or in the History of Northwich article. Millbanks (talk) 19:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I made a few minor changes; hopefully they're improvements. However, I was wondering about this:

Arguably, the highlight of Northwich is a man, who sits outside Marks & Spencer with his penny whistle, he brings his dog some times too.

Is this real, or is this some sort of unencyclopedic commentary on Northwich being a boring place or something like that? Everyking 08:02, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I can verify that it's true, but obviously it's debatable as to whether it's appropriate to include it in the article... what you think? Drak2 15:44, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Leave it if it's locally notable; i.e. if people in town can generally be assumed to know about him. It's up to you. Everyking 15:54, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
He is known, but he doesn't have a very good reputation. He only knows one song, and plays it over and over. Very, very irritating.

The man who plays the penny whistle is well known in Northwich and in the surrounding towns. oakesy 19:05, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

He is known, but he doesn't have a very good reputation. He only knows one song, and plays it over and over. Very, very irritating.

I just randomly stumbled on this article and have been no where near Northwich. The line should probably be removed because it's not neutral POV, but it does seem to be a worth bit of trivia since this guy seems to be fairly well know, and it also made me chuckle. ---- DarthInsinuate 18:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is necessary for a wikipedia article. It is too colloquial. Gregh 19:05, 13 Sep 2006 (UTC)

Winnington Inclusion

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I would keep Winnington separate, but I would put a list into this article of the 'villages' that make up the 'area' of Northwich, namely: Castle, Leftwich, Kingsmead, Lach Dennis, Hartford etc. Pixie2000 14:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is Lach Dennis close enough to count as part of Northwich? I agree with the other villages, but Lach Dennis is quite a way out (probably as close to Middlewich as Northwich). Lone Architect 23:31, 26th November 2006 (BST)

Additional Information Required?

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History

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The history section contains nothing for pre-1874, though the area has been populated from the Roman Times (though I need a citation for this I know!)

Geography

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The Geography section does not really talk about the geography beyond the rivers - perhaps it could do with being expanded to include other geographical features?

Transport

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This section does not mention the rivers - the biggest transport for the town until the arrival of the railways, and probably the reason Northwich exists at all? Pixie2000 19:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wartime Northwich

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Wartime Northwich 1939-1945

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I removed the following text. It needs citations and someone to check that it's not copyvio (I did a brief check on Google and it doesn't seem to be) or original research. Richard W.M. Jones 09:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's from http://www.northwichuk.com/modules/wfsection/print.php?articleid=6 Salinae 15:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for digging that up. Copyvio deleted. Richard W.M. Jones 18:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheshire radio edit war

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Is this relevant? I would say it was, as it is based in Northwich, but any opposition is welcome. Do not add any link to Cheshire Radio until debate is over. JimHxn 12:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you can argue that it may deserve to go on the Cheshire page, or perhaps on this page if it is based in Northwich. However this link was (and is actively) being added all over. See: Special:Contributions/80.47.220.20 (active now) and Special:Contributions/84.66.65.173 (active two days ago). This is linkspam, plain and simple. Richard W.M. Jones 14:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that at very least if it's not mentioned in the article itself then a link in the external links section is not justifiable  YDAM TALK 15:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, i'd agree with that: its spam. Thanks for clearing that up. JimHxn 17:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
and Special:Contributions/193.25.116.40 (active now) who also vandalised my user page. Richard W.M. Jones 17:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
and Special:Contributions/86.143.95.226 (active now) Richard W.M. Jones 18:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
and Special:Contributions/80.47.85.246 (active now) has also vandalised my user page. Richard W.M. Jones 22:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Irrespective of the actions of the anon edits, there might be justifiable reasons to add a link to Cheshire FM to Northwich, Winsford and Middlewich. From the Cheshire FM website their HQ is the Verdin Exchange in Winsford (at the back of the Guildhall). It also mentions that the station will be broadcast from Davenham/Moulton , and will cover mid Cheshire. However it probably needs to be done as part of a general media section. I've had a look at Warrington, Wigan and Macclesfield pages, and they don't mention Wire FM, Wish FM or Silk FM, so there's not much local precedent. Salinae 23:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can't really see how we can have a link to something which isn't even mentioned in the article. I'm not against a mention of the station in an appropriate section about local media with a link to the stations article. but an external link is excessive and unnecessary. If we were to include a link to the website of every radio station that covered these towns the external links section would become unwieldy and would detract from the more informative links. Incidentally the Cheshire FMarticle mentions that it doesn't start until March 2007. Am I correct in assuming this radio station isn't even on the air yet  YDAM TALK 00:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right about it not being on air yet! I also don't understand why the link is to the external rather than wiki source. I'll think about a short section on local media and see if we can link to it there. It would (in the long run) save time wasted in removing the linkspam. Salinae 10:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, go for it.  YDAM TALK 11:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done Salinae 12:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mind if I {{subst:}} those templates of yours. At the moment it makes it difficult to edit the media section of an article without editing the same section in all the others  YDAM TALK 12:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Salinae 14:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Given that some pages have now been semi-protected, the anonymous edits have stopped. Instead, we have a new user User: Elvis P, whose only edits so far are to add an external link pointing to Cheshire FM to a number of entries of Cheshire towns, as well as the main Cheshire entry. This user has also blanked a user's page (Richard W.M. Jones) who has been reverting some of the previous anonymous edits. Thus, I think we can have some degree of confidence in saying that Elvis P is (one of) the anonymous editors who were linkspamming. I've reverted all the external links added this evening, because the excellent solution of having a media section renders these external links unnecessary - one just goes to the actual Cheshire FM entry and all the information is there is one wishes to go to an external link. I hope this is satisfactory. I now sadly await some vandalism of my own user page!  DDStretch  (talk) 01:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
User:Elvis P has been indefinitely blocked after he blanked my own, and Richard W.M. Jones' and an administrator's user pages who reverted his blanking. An anonymous IP address is now back adding Cheshire FM external links to the web pages. I give up, what can we do? A previous request by myself to partially protect some pages was turned down as the spamming was not persistent enough, but I wonder if a detailed account of what is going on on what pages might be an idea?  DDStretch  (talk) 11:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The "nuclear" option, if you like, is to actually get the URL listed in the spam blacklist. The spammer has kind of brought this upon themself, since normally a link to Cheshire FM might actually deserve to go into Wikipedia. Richard W.M. Jones 11:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think the nuclear option would be a step a bit too far, as the site might suit its own entry (as it now has). In fact, what has now happened is that the remaining entries which were being linkspammed have now all been semi-protected, after I requested it. It will at least slow the spammers down a bit, and they would have to be really dedicated in order to set up a rolling set of user accounts to enable them to keep on linkspamming from accounts that weren't anon.  DDStretch  (talk) 19:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It might be better just to let it ride - this is generating a silly amount of changes in the history log, and wasting too much time. There is now a link within a media section to Cheshire FM, so there is no reason to continue putting the link back in. I'm suspicious this might be a troll, and so ignoring it could be the best solution. There's so much more to do on the Middlewich, Northwich and Winsford pages that this is an unnecessary diversion. It can be sorted later. Salinae 22:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are right. I see someone's been active again this evening as well. I'll leave it alone.  DDStretch  (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise for my behaviour as “Crazy trout”, “Elvis P” and many (but not all) of the anonymous edits. This includes most if not all of the page-blanking. I did not put in the very first link to Cheshire FM Radio, but I did repeatedly reinstate it. I accept that it is much more appropriate for it to be on its own page in a media section. I also believe it would have been much more appropriate for me to discuss these issues after the first couple of reverts. The page-blanking was a petty response to the reverts and the messages left for me. Is it normal practice for a non-administrator to put warnings on rogue accounts / IPs? I accept that this is getting silly (my fault) and my counter-productive actions stop now.80.43.125.112 01:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you responding. In answer to your question, yes it is the done thing around here that non-admins give out warnings. In fact generally I'd say that more warnings were given out by non-admins than by admins. Admins are only needed to carry out any blocking of persistent vandals should they ignore the warnings. I hope you decide to continue editing Wikipedia though and choose to become a useful contributor  YDAM TALK 10:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of "Citation Needed" warning

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I've edited out a contentious claim 9about Northwich having few recreational facilities), which had originally been entered by Oaksey at 12:31, on June 16, 2005. It was challened by Pixie2000 quite a few months ago, and newly tagged this morning. Given nothing had been done to justify it, it seemed the easiest option would be just to remove it. I hope that is all right with people.  DDStretch  (talk) 11:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bus routes

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The bus routes section is out of place in this article and is not required as per Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. Unless there are any objections I'll remove it. Salinae 12:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DoneSalinae 21:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Westall

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this author has been removed from the "well known Northwichians" section. I know that he did live in Northwich for some years - round the corner from me. He was also my teacher at Sir John Deane's Grammar School. How does one verify this? I appreciate that word of mouth is not sufficient. He deserves to be on this page. Best Witchwooder (talk) 08:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it, because I could find no confirmation or verification that he ever lived in Northwich, though the wiki article about him gives a connection with Lymm in Cheshire. Perhaps Google searches might provide some suitable information. Normally, I would do this myself, but I did not on this occasion, and, indeed, the obligation is on the person adding the information to do this rather than anyone else. I would certainly be happy, as would other editors be, if you could take it forward, and find enough info to re-add his name (linked to the article about him) in the same format as the others, and with a suitable citation in the form of a footnote.  DDStretch  (talk)
Done with ref. (I've still no idea who Robert Westall is though :-) Salinae (talk) 23:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Development of Northwich

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Suggestions towards improvement

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A request has been made on the Cheshire WikiProject talk page for suggested improvements. First I suggest using the Cheshire articles relating to towns which have achieved GA status - Middlewich, Runcorn and Widnes, and using them as models. The sort of things that were criticised when these articles were being assessed included the following. Convert all lists into prose. Many more inline citations; everything, but everything, should have a reference, so that the reader knows whence it came and where it can be checked (or more info found). Larger paragraphs - combine, expand or re-write what is there. Less sub-sections; they make the ToC too long. Graphs for lists of figures if possible. Is there a relevant (attractive if possible) image you can add to the infobox - it immediately makes the article more attractive to the reader or occasional browser. It's probably a good idea to use the conversion templates for measurements. Don't include "notable" people if there is no separate article about them (ie all bluelinks); or write at least stubs. Hope this is not too daunting. Assessors can give you a hard time if what they perceive as the "rules" are not followed. But you learn an awful lot in the process! Good luck. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have just updated the page - it is a fairly large change to the previous version. Any comments welcome  Pixie2000 (talk) 16:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article be split in to two? One about the civil parish of Northwich and the other about the "Greater" Northwich area including surrounding parish's such as Weaverham, Davenham, Rudheath, Lostock, Anderton etc... Most small towns have a central parished or unparished area surrounded by small rural parishs and maybe one or two larger villages, Northwich has no less than 5 neibouring parish's with populations over 5,000. In fact the largest of which (Weaverham) has a population of over 6,500 which is the same size as some small towns! You only have to visit the town to realise that it is significantly larger than other towns with a population around the 19,000 mark. If this article is to be kept exclusive for Northwich parish then all references to attractions outside the Northwich parish such as the Anderton boatlift, the Lion Salt works in Marston and Gadbrook park in Rudheath sould be removed. Northwicher 00:55, 18 Jan 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about the "most small towns" bit. In any case, if you feel this should be done, then do you have any reliable sources that you can call upon to support your suggestion? If there is a "Greater Northwich" town identity that overspills into neighbouring civil parishes, then can this be documented by, for instance, formal or semi-formal collaboration between the relevant civil parishes? If you feel a split is important, it would certainly add to your argument if such sources could be found. If you can't, then the situation may be a bit more tricky.  DDStretch  (talk) 01:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) The article is about Northwhich, which is a town and a civil parish. A civil parish can declare itself a town council, thereby making Northwich a town. Even the council website counts the town's population as around 19,000, meaning they probably use the same boundaries for the town as the civil parish (discrepencies rise from variations over time) [1]. Saying that the surrounding parishes are part of the town is original research – unless of course you can provide reliable sources to back up your view – and as such has no place on wikipedia. Nev1 (talk) 01:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You only have to ask any of the residents of the surrounding parish's and they will tell you that they are identify themselves as Northwichers. I did this many years ago as part of my GCSE geography course work but I doubt I could site that as a reliable source. If you read the notable people section, many of them live/lived in nearby parishes but are included!

It is also notable that if you travel along the B5082 Middlewich road from Northwich in to Rudheath, the only way that you can tell that you are leaving Northwich is a sign in the road and the built up area has overspilled in to the neibouring Parish. The same can be said if you travel along the A559 Manchester road in to Lostock, the A559 Chester road in to Hartford and the A533 in to Davenham through Kingsmead. You only have to look at the ariel photos on Google Earth to see this.

The Northwich Parish council website will only list the population of Northwich Parish and can't be used as a valid argument to the non existance of a Greater Northwich. Northwicher 10:20, 18 Jan 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.106.67 (talk)
I'm sorry, but none of the above constitutes any kind of reliable evidence to the standards needed for wikipedia. Additionally, the comments by Nev1 apply about the town council only being able to refer to the civil parish of Northwich and not any supposed "Greater Northwich", which, on the face of it, seems to remain original research. Finally, I recommend that you always try to sign on when intending to make edits, as otherwise, you may be thought of as using WP:SOCKPUPPETS, for which there are penalties.  DDStretch  (talk) 15:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will concede that I will not find any evidence a formal administative connection between Northwich and it's neighbours because their isn't one. This does not negate the fact that they are very much a single community. It's just a fact of life to any Northwich resident. It's one of the things that makes Northwich unique. How can I get evidence without it being origional research? You only have to pick up a copy of the Northwich Guardian to see that issues affecting Northwich effect the surounding area too. I find to difficult to accept how you seem to beleive that residents on the above mentioned roads can, in some cases, live next door to each other but not be part of the same community just because the parish council part of their council tax gets paid to two different councils! I suggest that you go to the Northwich Guardian website and read about what they are doing in Kingsmead about how the community is split between the parish's of Northwich and Davenham. As for the above transgression, I'm sorry but I'm new. Northwicher 16:10, 19 Jan 2009 (UTC)
Not signing is an honest mistake that everyone makes from time to time, but in the past some similar issues have been targeted by sockpuppets. The core principle of wikipedia is verifiability, unless something is covered by reliable third party sources, and therefore provable, it has no place here. We have to keep to the verifiable facts, and personal experience isn't good enough I'm afraid. Local newspapers often cover news beyond the boundaries established by their names, that does not mean anything. Nev1 (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to ask the administrators why, if they they maintain that their is insufficient evidence as to the existance of a larger Northwich community, they haven't relocated infomation in this article that is not directly about the town of Northwich to more relevant articles elsewhere. For example, Paula Ratcliffe is from Davenham, Shirley Strong from Cuddington, Rudheath High School and Gadbrook business park are both in the parish of Rudheath while the Trent and Mersey canal travels through the parishes of Barnton, Anderton with Marbury, Marston, Lostock and Rudheath without entering the parish of Northwich. If I had the time, I could find more examples. Northwicher 10:05, 20 Jan 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.150.236 (talk)

Speaking for myself, because I hadn't noticed that up till now. Thanks for pointing it out. You could either move the verified ones to the appropriate article yourself, or expect us to do it if you would prefer. There may be things which are not yet verified, which, if you can provide the evidence that they are misplaced, can be similarly transferred to the correct articles.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry for this being an annonomous post but I'm having problems with my login. I think that may have been the cause of my above sockpuppeting. It think it would be best for one of the administrators to make the changes. I've just noticed that Pixie2000 and Lone Architect were making similar remarks about whether the surrounding villages should be included in the Winnington Inclusion section back in 2006! (89.243.229.128 (talk) 11:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]
I've already done some of it. But for others, I think I need to consult an OS map to at least get some verification.  DDStretch  (talk) 12:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would the administrators be willing to incert a comment along the lines of "Northwich has a disproportionatly large range of shops and services." The range of national chain stores in the town is equavailent to much larger towns such as Macclesfield, Ellesmere Port, Runcorn and Widnes and significantly larger than towns with greater populations like Winsford and Congleton. It has a 24hr supermarket (Tesco), is only one of 4 towns/cities in Cheshire with a Argos Extra (the others being Chester, Warrington and Crewe) and one of only three with more than one Argos! It has stores like Marks and Spencer (a full store not just a simply food) and Next which you would not expect to find in a 20,000 population town. (Northwicher (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Saying something like "Northwich has a range of shops and services" would be fine, but "disproportionately large" needs defining and sourcing. What is it being compared to? More importantly, who says it's disproportionate? Is there a study of this, or at least a newspaper article? Nev1 (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The 7 largest towns in Cheshire are Warrington, Chester, Crewe, Ellesmere Port, Runcorn, Widnes and Macclesfield with Macclesfield being the smallest with a population of 50,000 and the others having populations of around 60,000 or more. From even a quick internet search you will see that Northwich is the only town in Cheshire outside the top 7 to have many national chains including the above mentioned stores and there are very few (if indeed any) that all of the above 7 have that Northwich does not. The same can be said of other services such as 24hr supermarkets (infact Ellesmere port and Widnes don't have a 24hr supermarket) and range of banks etc.. You can therefore say that the range of shops and services is equivalent to that of a town with population of 50-60,000 which, for a town with population of only 20,000, most people would agree is disproportionate. (Northwicher (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Could you say something like "the range of shops and services in Northwich town centre is comparable to much larger towns such as Ellesmere Port, Macclesfield, Runcorn and Widnes." (Northwicher (talk) 18:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Why did Malleus Fatuorum undo my previous revision to the main article? My above comments have been on the discussion page for long enough for most of the admins to have read them and nobody has said no. I'm begining to wonder what the point is in contributing if it's only going to be undone! Granted people like Ddstretch have a vast historical knowledge of Nothwich but I'm begining to find it patronising to have users that don't live in the area, don't even live in Cheshire and have not visited Northwich, telling me about modern day Northwich. (Northwicher (talk) 08:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I think you are missing the comment by Nev1 who suggested that there should be some references, even if there were newspaper reports, about what you wanted to claim. So, let me be clear. Malleus probably removed it because it was a large chunk of text that was completely unrefererenced in an article that is becoming well-referenced. He is allowed to do that under the WP:BRD suggestions, as it suggests that he is not in agreement with it being added. The corerct response is not to reinstate it, as that becomes an WP:EDITWAR, for which formal warnings, and, if excessive, blocks can be imposed. I've removed the text again, and I am placing it below. Once appropriate references are found for the facts claimed in the text, it can be re-added to the article. It can be frustrating to get to know how to do things on wikipedia if one is a newish editor, but persistance in learning them can be helpfuil.  DDStretch  (talk) 08:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You presume too much Northwicher. I have been to Northwich many times, and don't live very far away. ;-) As has been said, the article is becoming too well-developed to allow the insertion of slabs of uncited text, but I'm also concerned about the level of detail, and the unsupported conclusion that Northwich has "a range of shops and services that is comparable to much larger towns". That's what needs to be cited, because at the moment it just looks like your opinion, or original research. --Malleus Fatuorum 12:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My above comments were not intended as a personal attack against any individual, I was just commenting on the fact that I have read many of the admins user pages which state that they live some where outside Cheshire, although many are former residents. In general I feel that, while this article paints an accurate picture of historical Northwich, it can be missleading when it comes to Northwich in the 21st Century. How is modern Northwich different to other historic Cheshire towns like Middlewich or Knutsford? I feel to a cerain extent that the admins are operating a double standard rejecting my edits while allowing older unreferanced sections to remain. In particular I feel that the sections on Gadbrook Park and Rudheath High School should be moved to the article on Rudheath as neither are actually in Northwich. On a similar note St Nicks High school is in Hartford and it is only Mid Cheshire Colleges London road art studios that is in Northwich, the main campus is in Hartford. (Northwicher (talk) 16:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
This is nothing to do with any administrators. I'm not an administrator. I agree with you that more information about the modern town of Northwich is needed, but it has to be relevant and reliably sourced. I know it's frustrating, not being allowed to write something which you know to be true because you see it every day. Believe me, we've all felt that frustration, but wikipedia demands that all information is sourced to reliable third-party sources. --Malleus Fatuorum 16:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So far as your concerns about the material on Gadbrook Park and Rudheath School is concerned, for instance, why not be bold and move it to Rudheath if that's where you think it belongs--Malleus Fatuorum 16:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)?[reply]

Text to be verified:

Northwich town centre has range of shops and services that is comparable to much larger towns such as Ellesmere Port, Macclesfield, Runcorn and Widnes. It has a number of large national chain stores including Marks and Spencers, Next, Boots, Jessops, Thorntons, Gamestation, Dorothy Perkins, B&Q, alongside small indepedant shops. Just outside the town centre is a 24hr Tesco superstore.

References

M&S http://www.marksandspencer.com/gp/store-locator/store-locator.html/278-7103181-3155705?ie=UTF8&viewID=details&postcode=CW9%205LA&storeID=1465&prevView=listing&client=mands_01&f_id=115&lon=-2.512380&lat=53.262220&db=GB

Next http://www.next.co.uk/storesearch.asp?LID=01_01_04

Boots http://www.boots.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreLocator?lon=-2.512379&requiredAction=displayStoreDetails&bootsStoreId=4480&catalogId=11051&displayView=StoreDetailsDisplayView&inputLocation=Northwich,%20Cheshire,%20England,%20CW8%201&langId=-1&lat=53.262217&storeId=10052&inputPostcode=

Jessops http://www.jessops.com/storefinder?cm_re=230908-_-Home-_-Storefinder

Thorntons http://www.thorntons.co.uk/ThorntonsSite/pages/ourstores/ourstores.asp

Gamestation http://www.gamestation.co.uk/Help/StoreFinder/StoreFinder.aspx

Dorthy Perkins http://www.multimap.com/clients/browse.cgi?client=zoom&local=4&lon=-2.513080&lat=53.261891&coordsys=gb&width=500&height=300&scale=10000&addr2=&addr3=northwich&pc=

B&Q http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/templates/content_lookup.jsp?SearchStr=northwich&content=/bq/stores/store_finder_store_result.jsp&StoreId=NRC471&menu=storefinder&noleftnav=true

24hr Tesco http://www.tesco.com/storeLocator/

Some take you direct to the Northwich store page but for others you will need to type in Northwich under town/city. (Northwicher (talk) 10:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

The existance of each one of the above shops in Northwich can be verified on that shops store finder on their website. As I'm new I'm not sure how to incert references. You will also see that most of the above shops also have stores in the above mentioned larger towns but not in towns like Winsford and Congleton which both have larger populations than Northwich. (Northwicher (talk) 09:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Ok. You need to make sure the facts you claim are really directly verified in any references you add. To get an idea of how to do it, go to any section in the article (choosing one which may well be relevant might be best) and go to edit the section. You are not going to actually edit it, but just look at how the references are added: they are included in between two html commands: <ref> and </ref>. Look for references that cite web pages, if you are going to use webpages, and try to add references that are structured like the ones you have found. I'll include a references section to this section here so you can try them out here and see how they look.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The lead needs to be longer, also the lead is probably the wrong place to introduce the term 'wich town'. Perhaps it should be moved to around where the Domesday Book is in the history section?
  • In the history section there are a few one or two sentence paragraphs. At GA it's enough to simply tag these onto the start or end of the nearest paragraph, but come FAC reviewers will be looking for some flow, perhaps some link. Not easy to do.
  • I think the Roman stuff needs to be changed. IMO there's a little too much about the itinerary, but importantly it doesn't mention the Roman interest in salt. This means that when it's said later that "The salt beds beneath Northwich were re-discovered in the 1670s", the reader is left wondering when they were first discovered and when they went out of use.
  • The bits on subsidence are unreferenced.
  • Also in the history section is a gap between 1874 and 1975.
  • Governance lists the civil parishes that surround Norwich, but I'm not sure why. Wouldn't this be more appropriate in the geography section as it doesn't directly effect the governing of the town.
  • The demography section needs to be expanded, Sale, Greater Manchester might give you an idea of something to put in. For example: ethnicity, and comparison with the county/country.

I've only had time to read the first half of the article, but despite my previous comments (which may be seem negative) I think this article is good. I like it, the history section alone made an interesting read. I also like how WP:UKCITIES has been folowed and that the notable people section has been done pretty well at first glance, not a list but could do with more references. I'm assuming that you want to take it to WP:GAN at some point, and these are the kind of issues they'll raise there. Nev1 (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Glancing at this page from Vale Royal council seems to give an outline of the regeneration the town is undergoing and should be useful to anyone interested in expanding the article. Nev1 (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unverified material about Notable People

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I've transferred unverified material about purported notable local people to this section. Once the claims are verified, they can be transferred back to either this article or to whatever is the correct article pending just what is verified.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is anybody able to verify whether the former Manchester City footballer Andy Morrison lives in Northwich? I read in the Northwich Guardian yast year that he lives in Kingsmead. (89.243.229.128 (talk) 12:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC))[reply]

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Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet and Ludwig Mond, co-founders of Brunner Mond, both have strong associations with Northwich.

Restored to the main article, with source cited for their residence at Winnington Hall (which lies within the present boundaries of the town) Old Wittonian (talk) 10:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also the graphic designer Malcolm Garrett, known for record sleeve design for Buzzcocks and Duran Duran, was born in the town in 1956.

A number of sports personalities have lived around the town. Two female athletes are often associated with the town and were born in the surrounding area. Shirley Strong, 100m silver medallist in the 1984 Summer Olympics, was born in Cuddington in 1958; and Paula Radcliffe was born in Davenham, just to the south of Northwich in 1973. Tom Manley, footballer and Northwich Victoria manager, was born in the town in 1912.

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Fifty years ago the placename "Northwich" I remember hearing pronounced locally with equal stress on both syllables with a sight emphasis on the "wich" element- as "North Wich". Since it highlighted the "wich" element, it may be worth asking whether this pronunciation survives. Elsewhere the emphasis lay firmly on the first syllable. On the question of the mutation from the Norse word for 'bay" -vyk, or vick, though the transition for v to w can be found in other parts of Britain (e.g in Lerwick) and the softened ending ch for k presumably survives in Norwich and Sandwich, there is still the problem of the association between "wich" and salt. Is this secondary significance now ruled out? If so, on what grounds?Delahays (talk) 00:05, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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