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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete from main namespace (moved to User:JuanMuslim/temp). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Galvan

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This seems to be a vanity page created by Juan Galvan himself, who is editing as JuanMuslim. This article doesn't have the potential to become encyclopedic because of the lack of independent, credible published sources. I've corresponded by e-mail with Juan to try to find out whether there are sources out there, or whether he's published something himself in a regular newspaper or similar, but he has referred me only to short commentary pieces on websites. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:38, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

I offered to do that for him, but he said no. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:08, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Then my vote is Delete. -- BDAbramson thimk 20:42, 2005 May 12 (UTC)

(Userfy Suggested by Juan Galvan/JuanMuslim)

  • Userfy or Keep--Juan Galvan 17 May 2005. Since the first day I posted the entry about myself, I have been replying to SlimVirgin's emails. All of which I have promply replied to. I do believe that I have provided sufficient references etc. I sincerely believe that I am undergoing more scrutiny than a Christian with my credentials because I am a Muslim. I have also added a criticisms section to my Juan Galvan entry, and I welcome anyone to edit the entry as they feel is necessary. This is what I wrote to SlimVirgin regarding changes to my entry: "As for the entry to Juan Galvan, I think it is fine as well. I'll take a at it again. You're free to edit that entry as well."

In her most recent posting on my user page, she requested I send her a link to the article in which I was quoted by the NY Times. She submitted my page for possible deletion within three hours after her request without providing me sufficient time to reply to her request. http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/newminority.html


Quoted In the Associated Press http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/historyhispanic.html


From : Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> Sent : Monday, May 9, 2005 12:30 AM

Hola, Yes, I perfectly understand. I still should be listed regardless. How many of the Muslims listed do most Americans know about really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslims That's all I'm asking for. For example, I know Yusuf Estes who is listed and he knows me but how many non-Muslims know of us? He hasn't written a book nor intends to do so. He is not a 'public figure' nor a journalist. There are several Muslims on that list who haven't written a book, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Estes

On 5/8/05, Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> wrote: Yes, here are three examples...

Islamic Horizons http://www.isna.net/services/horizons/current/LeadingOthers.html http://www.latinodawah.org/horizons.html

The Message International http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec/cover.htm http://www.latinodawah.org/themessage.html http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec/interview.pdf


On 5/8/05, Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> wrote: Hola, I've read all the articles/links you sent me. Well, I'm interested in getting the article "neutralized" if that makes any sense at all. So I invite others to edit as needed. It's for comparative religion. The articles online right now about Mary at wikipedia are primarily from a Christian theological and/or historical perspective.

Here are various articles I've written, yup, I'm well-known. I don't mind if you or others edit the article on "Juan Galvan" Here are some articles/evidence you requested...

http://www.latinodawah.org/themessage.html http://www.messageonline.org/2004novdec/cover.htm http://www.latinodawah.org/horizons.html http://www.isna.net/services/horizons/current/LeadingOthers.html http://www.hispanicmuslims.com/ http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/ http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/moreembracing.html http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/reclaim.html http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/sanantonio.html http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/latinogrowth.html http://latinodawah.org/newsletter/index.html http://www.islamfortoday.com/galvan.htm


On 5/8/05, Juan Muslim <juanmuslim@hotmail.com> wrote: Hola,

Thank you for your help. I've added three website links at the bottom of the article along with a statement saying "Written from an Islamic perspective."

Most of everything on en.wikipedia.org is written from a Christian or American point of view even though not intentionally. You can help edit the article on Virgin Mary in Islam as needed. I include several references to Quran as needed to give a larger view of the Muslim perspective. I think my article is fine the way it is.

As for the entry to Juan Galvan, I think it is fine as well. I'll take a at it again. You're free to edit that entry as well. Juan Galvan is the most well-known and respected Latino Muslim in the U.S. http://latinodawah.org/works/jjgalvan.html

Juan Galvan's entry is no different than other entries found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslims

The Juan Galvan entry is modeled after the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irshad_Manji http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farakhan

  • Comment -- Juan Galvan | (talk) 23 May 2005. Most Muslims would argue whether these two people are Muslims. Believing or saying crazy things doesn't give a person credentials. So most Muslims would argue that they should not be listed. Most well-known, accomplished Muslims are simply not listed, because they aren't very vocal or crazy. Radical groups such as the Nation of Islam and Taliban are listed but mainstream Muslim organizations, such as ISNA or ICNA, are not. I plan to help in that regard. And as for those who included in theList_of_Muslims, you simply cannot judge by your own standards because most Muslims who are listed are unrecognized by non-Muslims. I want the entry on Juan Galvan userfied. Posted by User:JuanMuslim
    • Juan, I changed your vote above to a comment, as you've already voted. If you'd like the page to be moved to your user page, I can do that for you; or if you'd like a new user subpage for it, I can do that too. If you want a new subpage, you'll have to say what name you'd like for it. It could be User:JuanMuslim/Juan Galvan; or User:JuanMuslim/bio, or something like that. SlimVirgin (talk) 12:46, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
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