Category talk:Pretenders

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This category should not include imposters like Anna Anderson or the False Dmitri - these are substantively different from people like Bonnie Prince Charlie or the Comte de Paris - the first are claiming to be people they are not, the second are, in fact, the representatives of royal houses that no longer rule. This distinction should be kept clear. john k 16:26, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

A related issue is that:

category is for people who claim monarchical or noble titles to which they are officially not entitled.

leaves out overthrown monarchs & their rightful heirs. (My dictionary supports this defn, BTW, but i think it is mistaken: i think the rightful monarch becomes a pretender whenever they are unable to actually rule.
--Jerzy (t) 00:20, 2004 Aug 31 (UTC)

This category should not include Transformers Pretenders. The only thing they have in common with pretenders is the name. I suggest a category Category:Transformers Pretenders or something. JIP | Talk 10:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made this category up, so it won't cross paths with these Pretenders again. user talk:mathewignash

Category refining

Per my posting at Louis88's talk page, I feel that a discussion of categorization is in order. Several of the pretenders could appropriately put in refined categories. For instance, rival pretenders (Pretenders to the Italian throne, Pretenders to the Sicilian throne, Pretenders to the French throne, etc). Others may possibly warrant such categorization based on the sheer number of them. Further pretenders are categorized because their line was disinherited (Jacobites). Others should not be categorized under a certain throne because there are only one or two of them. Such pretenders are generally linked by a succession box on the given pages. Charles 19:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would make sense to open categories for not less than three pretenders. Any other pretender could be put into the main category (that would mean that the category for Austrian pretenders would have to be deleted, because there are only two claimants: Emperor Karl I and Otto von Habsburg - they could sorted in "Pretenders"). Do you agree? Louis88 12:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds reasonable to me. Would it be set at three? Sounds to be a well rounded number to me. Charles 03:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At what point does a pretender become an ordinary monarch whose claim to the throne was disputed? Some pretenders did become the de facto ruler of a limited territory for a limited time e.g. the Old Pretender, Perkin Warbeck. Judging the legitimacy of some of their claims could be a POV minefield. PatGallacher (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]