Talk:Internet café

Panera Bread

Why is panera breads on the "see also" list? Is the company just advertising for its self, because I've personally never seen a panera that was also an internet cafe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.63.115 (talk) 02:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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Messy?

Hey wikipeoples, this needs to be more historical than commercial. Impact on social behaviour, and articles about how its changing society should be added. I'll also work on cleaning up. Let me know how I go. Cafe Junkie --Cafejunkie (talk) 01:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

==What's with the "Venues" section?== It's seems to be taken from a website, however the sentences are incoherent and I find it hard to read (I added cleanup-rewrite). Also, some sections of that section don't sound encyclopedic. I think that section should be rewritten. --robo56 (talk) 22:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

POV statements

Moved POV statements to talk:

Today they are just as likely to be hangouts for teenage boys, places for the homeless to send email, or old ladies to research their family history.

Internet cafes will always exist, as they can provide community access with a broader range or more advanced technology than the average home user (faster internet connection, the latest machines, more advanced printers etc). While launderettes have largely disappeared, drycleaning facilities have not!

-Montréalais 02:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Proposed move 2006

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The result of the debate was no consensus, although I'd personally agree with the move. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 20:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Article name

Should this article be moved to Internet café (with an accent above the "e")? That seems more correct to me. Coffee 01:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose move --Philip Baird Shearer 02:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support. So far as I'm aware, there's a difference between "e" and "é", although I'm not sure about the US U.S. Fortunately, redirection should take care of keyboard layout differences etc. David Kernow 08:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose move. Jonathunder 13:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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• Support Move there's a difference with the letters "e" and "é" The League of Crazy Men 16:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

• I know it's too late but I Support Move: café is the correct spelling in English. Otherwise a reader would pronounce the word "Kay-f" not "Kaf-ay". There is a tendency for some editors to despise anything foreign being in Wikipedia articles. But "é" does have a history of being used in the English language. Kyle sb 06:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I heard about some Cybercafé guide that list all GNU/Unix friendly places , do you know the url ? it will be good to mention ? --RzR 20:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose Move the article describes a LAN gaming center much better than an internet cafe, and would be a better fit being merged with that article instead.Enigmar 00:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

• I know I am too late, but I support the move.Cameron Nedland 14:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Move because Internet Cafe is very generic & global name, there are so many names used by many countries and langguages that mean 'Internet Cafe' for instance in Indonesian langguage, we called 'Warnet' , in Latin America, it is called 'Cabin' , Korea 'PC Bang' etc. It is better to make a reference and cross reference between these many nickname or name that described by different countries and langguage to 'Internet Cafe', rather than to merge it here. By the way, In Indonesia, there are 13 different names that means 'warnet' or Internet Cafe --Rusdiah 01:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Move As above - Internet cafe is already a generic name in itself. A cross reference would make more sense. --T3Smile

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E-corner.

The caption in the picture of E-corner claims it as the first internet cafe. No date is given in the caption or the article proper, however. This is very confusing. Waverly Station has no mention of it in its history section either... -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 15:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

External Links

One of you recently said I cannot place my internet cafe as an external link. You are wrong; Wikipedia is about resources, just because I did not make the first internet cafe ever does not prohibit my right to make it accessible to the visitors in my locality.

Ragnarev 21:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Ragnarev

You seem to be under a misapprehension. Wikipedia is about encyclopedic information, not resources.

There is no right to use Wikipedia to let people know about your Internet cafe or any other business. Please see the following applicable policies and guidelines: Wikipedia is not a directory, Spam guideline, conflict of interest guideline, and the external links guideline. Which, among other things, in various ways say - we're not here to link to every instance of a subject in the outside world or on the Internet, and you should not add links to sites you are connected with directly to the article. -- Siobhan Hansa 03:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Editor Siobhan Hansa is exactly right. In fact, users can be, and often are, blocked from editing for continuing to add inappropriate external links. -- Satori Son 16:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Not only that, but persistent spammers get their sites globally blacklisted -- see the current list of proposed additions. Depending on which black hat rumor sites you read, some of the big search engines may or may not be using our blacklist as a human-vetted input in identifying spamdexing sites for their own blacklists. (Interesting rumor but I don't know if it's true.) --A. B. ^(talk) 05:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Notable internet cafes in the Philippines

There are quite a number of internet cafes in the Philippines. Among all those, the most notable ones are the chain shops of Netopia and Mail & More. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.9.126.41 (talk) 10:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC).AFASFASFASFAF

Thats cool, but I need something - an article in paper etc. to prove notability. refer to ^demon and the wikiwar that erupted when wales put up a popular food place in south africa and it got G4 deleted. Just need something to prove not only its existence, but its significance and popularity. thanks in advance to providing more info on it, will make the article look better. --T3Smile 15:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC) we all do something......................

Korea not included?

Why is South Korea not included in the country list? Ive been to both countries Japan, and Korea. It just so happens that Internet cafe's are VERY VERY popular in Korea, and not so popular in Japan. One example is that more than 230,000 koreans play starcraft in internet cafe's, not to mention 500,000 people go to internet cafe's in korea daily. For now, I am adding Korea to the countries.

It is in PC Bang. -- Ficell 11:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of more cafes

Dear all, I'd like to see more pics of cafes, in particular the yahoo nominated ones if they still exist as per their media release. If you don't know how/where it can fit, drop it in this discussion page and leave me a msg in my talk page and I can do the cross referencing to comply. Looking forward to your input on this. T. --T3Smile 15:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there T, I think most of those cafes mentioned in that Yahoo article have gone bust, or have very little presence on the internet anymore. Quite interesting really, the cafes with notoriety on the yahoo finalist list have - well, no real presence on the internet! The o3 cafe content is great, but it would be great if we could get more cafe pictures as you have mentioned. Hoping we can get more involvement with this from others. Cheers! --Rdpaperclip 07:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• T3Smile (talk · contribs · logs) and Rdpaperclip (talk · contribs · logs) - Blocked as sockpuppets. See SSP Achidiac -- Jreferee t/c 15:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

change to internet cafe with a '

A fine wiki admin person moved internet cafe to internet café and redirected internet cafe to it. I think it is a great move, and thank Anthony for doing so. If anyone has a problem with it, please note your thoughts below, but I think its a good move for correctness. cheers! --Rdpaperclip 07:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• • T3Smile (talk · contribs · logs) and ((User3|Rdpaperclip}} - Blocked as sockpuppets. See SSP Achidiac -- Jreferee t/c 15:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Japan not included

There is a unique situation in Japan where Internet Cafes double as extremely cheap hotels. Some people are living at Internet Cafes. It's an issue that has been recieving more and more attention in the newspaper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.112.64.174 (talk) 08:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Original research

I added the original research template this page mainly because of the evolution section. While I believe that an evolution section would be beneficial; it is not in its current state. If sources could be provided it would be excellent. TonyBallioni 19:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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Redirecting Page

I think we should redirect "Computer Cafe" to "Internet Cafe". Would that be best? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.79.97 (talk) 01:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Unmentioned

These establishments in my area all cater to online gambling;they are considered borderline illegal here in Florida.Nothing I saw about this aspect in the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.147.240 (talk) 20:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

snacks or drinks??

My general impression is that internet cafés usually do not (in fact almost never) provide snacks or drinks. They are simply places where tourists can get access to internet for a fixed sum of money. --Oddeivind (talk) 12:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

You know how it runs here, provide a source and the article will reflect this. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 13:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Move? 2013

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (non-admin closure) Hot Stop talk-contribs 00:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Internet café → Internet cafe – Use English. Apteva (talk) 02:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

• Comment but the form "café" is an affectation used in English... I think this should be discussed, so, after the BRD reversion of the 2007 move, a move request should be opened. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 03:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

  affectation redirects to Patrimony of affectation, a law-related stub, and wikt:affectation is just a bit more helpful. Can you elaborate on what you mean by that term? Wbm1058 (talk) 10:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

  My comment was meant to ensure that a new requested move would be opened after the article was reverted to the pre-2007-move form, as that was a bold move, so should be reverted, per WP:BRD, prior to opening a discussion on the matter of what title this should use. (especially since it's lived here for 6 years) -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 11:45, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

This is the BRD reversion of the 2007 move. The last time it was discussed the answer was "cafe". Apteva (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Apteva, WP:RM guidance on WP:BRD includes "recently." 2007 is not "recent" In ictu oculi (talk) 11:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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It would still be a procedural revert, since a prior RM request existed, and the more recent move did not have a discussion attached to override the existing discussion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 11:45, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, 65.94.79.6 you're correct. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Absent the previous RM, I would have not done this because it is not recent enough. But with the RM, the last discussion called for it being at cafe, so any move without discussion since then can be reverted at any time. If anyone wants to move it to café, that is what does require a discussion, if a bold move to that name is challenged. Apteva (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

It strikes me as absurd that you guys are talking as if it would make sense to have a procedural revert of a 6-year-stable title move. The current title seems to be most correct, and there appears to be zero support for changing it. And the previous discussion did NOT call for it to be at cafe. So why are we even having this RM discussion? Dicklyon (talk) 00:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

• Comment – see also:
  • Coffeehouse#Etymology
  • former Café article, prior to merge to Coffeehouse
  • Sidewalk cafe
  • Talk:Coffeehouse#Cafe or Café. – Wbm1058 (talk) 10:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - erroneous rationale, "Internet café" is as English as Fish and chip shop: Google books brings up Internet café first even when you enter "internet cafe". In ictu oculi (talk) 11:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose I like "café" ; though this should still have been procedurally reverted to "cafe", prior to opening this discussion. (whereupon, I would have supported a move to "café") -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Comment – If there's one place where an accent is a legitimate part of the English language, it's when it's on an 'e' at the end of a word. René, let's résumé this discussion tomorrow. LOL Wbm1058 (talk) 12:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose: Diacritics are not discouraged on Wikipedia (see WP:DIACRITICS), and in this case it's a very helpful clue to pronunciation and etymology. Also, at Café#Etymology you will find the statement that "café" is "The most common English spelling". —BarrelProof (talk) 17:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose The nominator's rationale is in error because "café" is English; this is one of the words where the accent is frequently retained wherever possible. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:45, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose, per rationale by In ictu oculi (talk · contribs), above. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
• Comment. Before getting all emotional about which is more common, it might be worth it to check the facts.[1] Cafe wins by a landslide. Apteva (talk) 20:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Poppycock! That's not evidence, and not a landslide. Look more carefully [2] and notice how with more recent books coming in electronically instead of via the OCR that ignores diacriticals, the n-gram balance is near equal. Follow the links for the one without diacritical, and look at the actual page images, and you'll see it's often there. Invoking n-grams or book search for typographical issues needs to be done with care, as you've been told repeatedly. Dicklyon (talk) 23:58, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Removing the smoothing does not constitute looking more carefully. What Google says is that "Often trends become more apparent when data is viewed as a moving average." As to more recent scans.[3] Apteva (talk) 01:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose – the current title uses the preferred English form of café according to dictionaries that I've checked. Dicklyon (talk) 00:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Surely only inexperienced or lazy writers/editors call it a "cafe". -- Trevj (talk) 15:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Caps in internet café?

The case is very mixed in this article. I fixed a bunch of things, but left the mix of upper and lower on Internet/internet, as it might need discussion. Those who capitalize Internet as the proper name of the Internet might argue that the generic term for a café to access it should also capitalize Internet. Others might argue that the generic term for an internet café is not limiting it to only connections to that network, so the lowercase generic form is better. Still others may surprise me with their arguments ... let's see. Dicklyon (talk) 01:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why it isn't capitalized in the lede, since it's capitalized elsewhere throughout this article, in the Internet article, and in the vast majority of the RS on the topic ("internet+cafe"&tbm=bks Google Books). I'm not a watcher, just passing through, but I thought it was very strange and then I saw your post. Surprised it hasn't been changed in all this time. czar · · 03:45, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

It's not capitalized throughout the rest of article consistently either. And the tendency to capitalize Internet in books has been relaxing in recent years, I've read; see Capitalization of "Internet"; Wired magazine stopped capitalizing internet in 2004 (or so they said at the time; I haven't checked). And an internet cafe may not be a reference to the Internet per se. So it's an open question, not something that has an obvious easy fix, in my opinion. Note that the trend was changing by 2008. Dicklyon (talk) 06:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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This article is looking seriously dated. In the Western world, at least, internet cafes haven't really been a thing for nearly a decade, having been superseded by ordinary cafes (and other establishments) offering free wi-fi. Can't anyone add some sourced material on the decline of the internet cafe? GrindtXX (talk) 00:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm going to add a "needs update" tag. Interestingly, the prevalence actually has changed from internet cafe for a general audience to "gaming lounges", very prevalent in Asia, although many still existing in the Western world. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 12:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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