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Where are the Laws?!

The title of this entry is, "Jim Crow Laws", but it contains no examples of the actual state and local laws. Grossly incomplete. WikiJoe24 (talk) 02:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The External links section actually does include a link to state and local laws. There are some other sites that contain such lists which you can readily find with a google search, and if you feel that one of these other sites should be added to the External links section, that's certainly something that you could propose, if you don't want to do the edit yourself. Fabrickator (talk) 07:45, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa?!

Why an image about a South African placard of the era of apartheid is used when linking this article in another article? You want to make South Africans look bad by a thing that happened in the USA?

--Breizhcatalonia1993 (talk) 22:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Breizhcatalonia1993. That's the {{Segregation}} navigation box for the whole "Part of a series of articles on Racial/ethnic segregation". If you have ideas for improving that box, Template talk:Segregation or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discrimination are the places to propose/discuss it. DMacks (talk) 05:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New Earliest Mention Discovered

Under the "Etymology" section the earliest mention should be updated according the following pertinent information:

"The first reference to a “Jim Crow car” that I could find in a newspaper, aided by the 21st-century power of digitized databases? The Salem Gazette, Oct. 12, 1838, less than six weeks after the new Eastern Rail Road opened for business on thirteen-and-a-half miles of freshly-laid track from East Boston to Salem, Mass." https://time.com/5527029/jim-crow-plessy-history/ Mitzip (talk) 16:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I came to this page to say the same thing—Jim Crow laws began in the north well before the civil war even kicked off. It's also not a legal phenomenon restricted in the least to the former confederate states. This page is in major need of updates. Bailey.d.r (talk) 04:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

bad link for grundy citation

There is currently a "questia.com" link for the Pamela Grundy citation to "Pamela Grundy, Learning to win: Sports, education, and social change in twentieth-century North Carolina". An actual working link is in fact available.

Most of the time, I fix issues like this on my own, but I think doing this may actually be counter-productive because it's really just papering over/covering up the problem, and as well, I'm not sure what the actual preferred link to use is. Anyway, the current link is for "questia.com" (which seems to be an actually dead website). There is a working Wayback archive link, but the only info that seems to be available there is the title of the book. So everybody who looks at this link will waste a minimum of two or three minutes unless they're persistent enough to spend more time.

Okay, they can go to worldcat (my preferred "first choice" since it purports to show "open access" sources, even though its accuracy on this is limited), enter the title of the book (or a portion thereof) which will provide them a link to archive.org. You could also do a search at "openlibrary.org", which will require you to establish a login (at no charge), which on entering the title of the book, will take you to essentially the same archive.org interface. (In this instance, archive.org and openlibrary.org are equally effective, but that's not necessarily the case).

If you went to access the archive.org link, you have to click on the "borrow" button to go directly to the indicated page number of 297. Alternatively, you can use the text search on the left panel, assuming you know what text you're looking for. The surrounding text (as plaintext) actually displays in the left panel, though the actual page may show up in the main panel (depending on how you accessed it ... you get the most restricted access if you try to go directly to the specified page by including the page number in the link, assuming you're already logged in). OTOH, if you're not logged in, you can still do a search (not sure what text to search for? the page number may be all that you need to search on).

This direct link to page 297 demonstrates how that works.

The actual preferred link to include in the citation is not obvious. (Is it a mistake for me to be giving away these secrets?) Fabrickator (talk) 23:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References to Jim Crow earlier than those stated in the article.

Frederick Douglass, in his My Bondage and My Freedom published in 1855 (David W. Blight, ed.) refers to a "Jim Crow Car" in the railroad on which he traveled in Massachusetts. It appears on p. 320 in the Yale University Press edition, edited by David W. Blight, and published in 2014. On that page in a footnote, the editor says that the term "was already common parlance in the 1850s." 132.64.128.158 (talk) 14:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]