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Anyone know if it's 1515 or 1525 North Charles Street? Google gives results for both. --SPUI (talk) 15:05, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Amtrak.com says 1515 North Charles Street --Starionwolf 01:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Future Expansion

The Maryland Transportation Authority planned to have six proposed mass transit lines. The Blue and Yellow lines are supposed to have Penn Station as one of its proposed stations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Youngsouljah25 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Penn Station Light Rail

The Penn station has a light rail station. In The Baltimore Region Rail System Plan the proposed blue line, which is one of the planned 6 lines.

Name?

Despite my tenure here, I'm not really sure how to get a formal proposal on this but I think the title would be better as Penn Station (Baltimore), at least in modern times, I have never once seen or heard it referred to as Pennsylvania Station and Penn Station seems to be WP:COMMONNAME. Praxidicae (talk) 20:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Praxidicae: What you should do is bring it up on relevant Wikiproject spaces, or with other transit writers like me, instead of just going ahead with it. I'll let you know, Pennsylvania Station (New York City) has had several requested moves to things like "Penn Station", but the consensus is always against that informal nickname, even if it's what most people use. The same applies here, I think.

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(talk) 03:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Page name consistency

I've noticed that of the three Pennsylvania Stations that still use the name, this is the only article to be titled with 'Penn Station' rather than 'Pennsylvania Station', as with New York and Newark's respective stations. Given moves for both of those articles to New York Penn Station and Newark Penn Station appear to have been rejected even as recently as this past June, I wanted to ask what the consensus is about this article specifically, especially as 'Pennsylvania Station' is etched into the facade of the station building in Baltimore. Pokemonred200 (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think of a good reason to keep the name as "Pennsylvania Station." Penn Station is the only widely used name for the station, the full name is a formality. It is easy to miss the label on the front of the building because it is currently under renovation. The official website for the renovation calls it "Baltimore Penn Station":https://baltimorepennstation.com/

Likewise, every official agency which operates at Penn Station calls it Baltimore Penn Station. See https://www.mta.maryland.gov/marc-station-information for example, or https://www.amtrak.com/stations/bal . Ambiguity is unavoidable here even without considering other cities, as one of the Baltimore Metro stations is named Penn-North station after Pennsylvania Avenue, a major street which Baltimore Penn Station is not on. People familiar with both would be able to tell that Baltimore Penn Station and Penn-North station refer to different rail stations, but Pennsylvania Station is not a recognizable name so it could conceivably refer to something else until you click on it. -Middle river exports (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I naively attempted to move it to Penn Station two years ago and was told unequivocally that transit wikiprojects more or less owns the naming rights to the article... PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agency names are a mixed bag. Amtrak calls the station in New York "Moynihan Train Hall at Penn Station"; I doubt we would locate an article at that title. Mackensen (talk) 20:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 04:25, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania Station (Baltimore) → Baltimore Penn Station – This is the most commonly used name in multiple official sources, in most secondary sources, and is known as this by the general public. Pennsylvania Station may be a valid expanded form, but Penn Station is sanctioned as the name for this station to a degree where calling it anything else makes it less recognizable. To that end, I am emphasizing that this request only pertains to this station and does not ask for anything related to other stations with a similar name. Many of those have been evaluated independently already, but I do not think the same reasoning is applicable in every case, which is why I am requesting this for Baltimore Penn Station.

It may be worth noting that the name "Baltimore Penn Station" also is helpful in that it naturally disambiguates better from Penn-North station, a metro station in Baltimore named after Pennsylvania Avenue. The inclusion of the city name in the station name both matches how it is commonly referred to, and adds context that it is an inter-city passenger rail hub. When I think of things named "Pennsylvania" as it pertains to features with more local relevance, I tend to think of Pennsylvania Avenue first, which is in a different part of the city than Penn Station.

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--Middle river exports (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I did a somewhat cursory search of Google Books for "baltimore station amtrak" (not as a phrase). When the qualifier is used, "Baltimore Penn" is used; I don't think I saw "Pennsylvania Station" once. The disambiguation also makes sense in this case, given the long-time presence of mainline B&O stations in the city. Like Middle River Exports, I don't take this as precedent-setting for any other article. Certainly "Pennsylvania Station" is a legitimate form of the name, but the Pennsylvania Railroad has been gone for over fifty years, and it was probably called "Penn Station" even then. Mackensen (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Lived in Baltimore for years and only heard it called "Penn Station" in both formal and informal contexts, as already documented. Calling it "Pennsylvania Station" just seems tendentious at this point. --Jfruh (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
support per nom, and my previous statements. PRAXIDICAE🌈 00:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've noticed that both Amtrak and the station's own website use the Baltimore Penn Station name, as does MARC. In other sources, there's some use of the Baltimore Pennsylvania Station name, but that might be influenced by the present title of this Wikipedia article. Pretty clear that the WP:COMMONNAME is Baltimore Penn Station. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.